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ArnoldHill
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Blank spindle speed

Post by ArnoldHill » Thu 23 Apr , 2009 12:03 pm

We have 3 denford milling machines in our establishment. 2 Micro Router Compacts and 1 Microrouter V4 NS. No one seems to know if they have ever been used properly but i have been asked to see if i can get them to work (IT Technician with no previous experience with these machines or the software)

I have Local admin rights on the machine and have installed Techsoft 2D design (v1) The Denford extensions for Techsoft and VR Milling (V 2.xx)

I am trying to setup one of the Microrouter Compacts to begin with, I launch 2D design and from setup select Denford Compact Router (i presume this is the correct choice) as my device. I am able to select plot and upon launching VR milling import the FNC and run the code on the machine. This is when the problem becomes apparent as the machine follows the design but the spindle does not spin.

Looking into the imported code there is no line in the code stating the spindle speed. Under the Pen/Tools settings in 2D design (within the PLOT window) The spindle speed is blank and gives no option to edit this, infact within the tool parameters the spindle speed is not even present.


If any one can offer any help on this subject it would be most appreciated.

Regards

John
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Post by Martin » Thu 23 Apr , 2009 12:24 pm

Can you post a copy of your design & fnc file?
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Post by ArnoldHill » Thu 23 Apr , 2009 12:39 pm

when you say design file do you just mean the standard dtd file ?

Below are several screen shots which hopefully explain the issues a little clearer i have outlined in red the missing spindle speed option.

I can upload the fnc and dtd files if they will help further.


https://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2048 ... otedit.jpg

https://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8830 ... ngcode.jpg
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Post by Martin » Thu 23 Apr , 2009 13:18 pm

Can you add a spindle speed to the machine parameters in Techsoft?

From your first image the value looks to be blank.

Also have a look in the properties when you select plot. There may be something obvios.
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Post by ArnoldHill » Thu 23 Apr , 2009 13:28 pm

That is exactly the problem. I am unable to add any spindle speed under the properties as it's blanked out. If i try and edit the tool the option is not even there.

I believe the spindle speed entry should appear where i have drawn a red box.

See better res images below.

https://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2048 ... otedit.jpg

Obviously then when i export the file to VR milling it then has no spindle information so it will draw the design but never starts the spindle up.
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Post by Martin » Thu 23 Apr , 2009 16:59 pm

Check that the Fanucm config file is as below.
C:\Denford\Config



[Compact Router (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=400
Max Material Width=200
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=5000
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1
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Post by Martin » Thu 23 Apr , 2009 17:05 pm

Check the properies in Techsoft.
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Post by ArnoldHill » Fri 24 Apr , 2009 9:28 am

The Fanucm config file is exactly as you posted.

The plotting device settings are slightly different though.

the differences are as follows

Max Z Travel: 150mm

Max Horiz. speed 3600.0mm/m

Max Vert speed: 3600.0mm/m

Max Spindle rpm 8000


Device Layout

Max Plot area 125.00mm (X) 75.00mm (Y)

Default material 125.00mm (x) 75.00mm (Y)
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Post by bradders » Fri 24 Apr , 2009 9:36 am

From a previous customer with the same problem

Have you got full Administrator Rights on the PC ?

First of all can you try selecting another Denford machine from the list and see if you get the speed window? The only thing that springs to mind is that the fanucm.ini is corrupt. Therefore

Can you rename fanucm.ini in c:\denford\config and replace it with a new fanucm.ini made up from the listing below

[Maxirouter (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=500
Max Material Width=750
Max Material Height=150
Max Feed=10000
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=1000
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Maxirouter (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=19.685
Max Material Width=29.527
Max Material Height=5.9
Max Feed=393.7
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=1000
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1


[Techno DaVinci (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FanucM.SLB
Extension=NCD
Metric=1
Max Material Length=300
Max Material Width=250
Max Material Height=125
Max Feed=3800
Min Feed=25
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=0
Comments=1
AddPercents=1
ForcePoints=1
cutter comp=1

[Techno DaVinci (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FanucM.SLB
Extension=NCD
Metric=0
Max Material Length=12
Max Material Width=10
Max Material Height=5
Max Feed=150
Min Feed=1
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=0
Comments=1
AddPercents=1
ForcePoints=1
cutter comp=0


[Microrouter (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=550
Max Material Width=270
Max Material Height=80
Max Feed=5000
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Microrouter (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=21.5
Max Material Width=10.5
Max Material Height=3.1
Max Feed=195
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[CNC Mill (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=558
Max Material Width=311
Max Material Height=85
Max Feed=6985
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=30000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[CNC Mill (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=21.9685
Max Material Width=12.244
Max Material Height=3.3465
Max Feed=275
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=30000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Triac PC (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=290
Max Material Width=170
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=1500
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Triac PC CIM (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=290
Max Material Width=170
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=1500
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1
CIM=1

[Triac PC (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=11.4173
Max Material Width=6.6929
Max Material Height=3.937
Max Feed=59.1
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Triac PC CIM (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=11.4173
Max Material Width=6.6929
Max Material Height=3.937
Max Feed=59.1
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1
CIM=1

[Fanuc 0M (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=290
Max Material Width=170
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=1500
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=0
Comments=0
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=1
cutter comp=1

[Fanuc 0M (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=11.4173
Max Material Width=6.6929
Max Material Height=3.937
Max Feed=59.1
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=0
Comments=0
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=1

[Starmill PC (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=160
Max Material Width=90
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=1000
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=3000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Starmill PC (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=6.2992
Max Material Width=3.5433
Max Material Height=3.937
Max Feed=39.4
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=3000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Novamill (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=225
Max Material Width=115
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=1500
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Novamill CIM (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=225
Max Material Width=115
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=1500
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1
CIM=1

[Novamill (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=8.8583
Max Material Width=4.5276
Max Material Height=3.937
Max Feed=59.1
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Novamill CIM (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=8.8583
Max Material Width=4.5276
Max Material Height=3.937
Max Feed=59.1
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1
CIM=1

[Micromill (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=228
Max Material Width=76
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=300
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=2000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Micromill (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=8.976
Max Material Width=2.992
Max Material Height=3.937
Max Feed=11.8
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=2000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Micromill 2000 (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=228
Max Material Width=130
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=300
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=2000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Micromill 2000 (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=8.976
Max Material Width=5.118
Max Material Height=3.937
Max Feed=11.8
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=2000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Proto Trak MX2 (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=PRO
Metric=1
Max Material Length=290
Max Material Width=170
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=1500
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=200
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=125
HomeY=125
HomeZ=125
DenfordExtras=0
Comments=0
AddPercents=1
ForcePoints=0

[Proto Trak MX2 (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=PRO
Metric=0
Max Material Length=11.4173
Max Material Width=6.6929
Max Material Height=3.937
Max Feed=59.1
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=200
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=4.9
HomeY=4.9
HomeZ=4.9
DenfordExtras=0
Comments=0
AddPercents=1
ForcePoints=0

[Compact Router (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=400
Max Material Width=200
Max Material Height=100
Max Feed=5000
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Compact Router (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=15.748
Max Material Width=7.874
Max Material Height=3.937
Max Feed=195
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Vertical Router (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=1200
Max Material Width=800
Max Material Height=140
Max Feed=20000
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=4000
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=0
HomeY=0
HomeZ=0
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Vertical Router (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=47.244
Max Material Width=31.496
Max Material Height=5.511
Max Feed=787.4
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=23000
Min Speed=4000
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=0
HomeY=0
HomeZ=0
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Triton (metric)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=1
Max Material Length=280
Max Material Width=150
Max Material Height=235
Max Feed=2000
Min Feed=20
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=20
HomeX=50
HomeY=0
HomeZ=50
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1

[Triton (inches)]
Library=C:\Denford\Libs\FANUCM.SLB
Extension=FNC
Metric=0
Max Material Length=11
Max Material Width=5.9
Max Material Height=9.25
Max Feed=78.7
Min Feed=0.8
Max Speed=4000
Min Speed=250
Max Cut Depth=0.8
HomeX=2
HomeY=0
HomeZ=2
DenfordExtras=1
Comments=1
AddPercents=0
ForcePoints=0
cutter comp=1
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Post by Denford Admin » Fri 24 Apr , 2009 10:01 am

Just a thought - are you using the Denford Extension disk supplied originally, or have you downloaded and tried the latest version from here ?
viewtopic.php?t=678

I seem to remember the compact being the last machine to be added to the machine list.
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