Cyclone Fanuc OT-B lathe error 1008,1017 & 1032

[Emimec]

My name is Bob and I am new to your forum, thanks to admin for letting me join. I am the owner of a 1989 Denford Cyclone. This is ex college, and has not run for at least the last 9 years since I have been there.

The machine has an error fault on startup, so I am hoping to try to resolve this.

When I fire up the Cyclone, the first screen on the Fanuc says, "not ready"
If I go into the alarms screen on the Fanuc there are 3 error codes.

1008 Spindle drive fault
1017 Spindle drive overheat
1032 Drive transformer overheat.

I need to simplify the meaning of this, albeit it does sound fairly obvious, but I want to know what and where to look to solve the problem.

Inside the big black box that is the power supply, I see one of the breakers is at the off position. I have identified this using a drawing downloaded from this forum as the spindle drive breaker.

I hasten to add the drawing is for a Cyclone OT-B and the layout is not entirly the same as my box, as I do not recall having a spindle motor fan breaker as is shown in this drawing.

Turning this breaker on does nothing, so this is where I need assistance if possible, and the correct power supply drawing please.
Bob

[bradders]

Does these link help ?


https://www.stankomach.com/catalog/fanuc ... 5EN_02.pdf

viewtopic.php?p=4398#4398

viewtopic.php?t=1086&highlight=1032

[Emimec]

Many thanks, I'm sure if I study this I may well find the a way of sorting the problem. One question, can all the parameters be upload via the serial port as with a Bridgeport mill and heidenhain controller? If they can, are they available to download from a site somewhere?

I realised I should have put my model number/ serial number on the original post. Will do this soon.
Bob

[Lone_Ranger]

Many thanks, I'm sure if I study this I may well find the a way of sorting the problem. One question, can all the parameters be upload via the serial port as with a Bridgeport mill and heidenhain controller? If they can, are they available to download from a site somewhere?

I realised I should have put my model number/ serial number on the original post. Will do this soon.
Bob

Hi Bob

Yes, they can be uploaded and downloaded via RS232, but first thing you need to do is put new batteries in if you haven`t already done so because if they are done then even if you reload all the parameters as soon as you switch it off you will lose them again, needs the batteries.

I have 2 Cyclones, one is OT-B 1989 and the other is OT-C 1990, you can tell which one it is from the layout of the buttons on the Fanuc control, they look identical at first but where the operational buttons are Auto, Cycle Start etc and where the "Mode" buttons like Home, Jog, Axis are there is a plastic "seperator" between the sets of buttons on the OT-B but it is not there on the OT-C.
The other way to tell is to look in the control cabinet on the back of the machine and look at the top of the "Motherboard" which is quite small in the OT-C and has at least 3 "daughter" boards and has OT-C printed on it along the top.

I downloaded all my Parameters from both machines so I could maybe help out with that, the only issue might be the "900" parameters as I don`t have the ones for the "soft keys" or the "Graphics" but I also have some that are changed to allow the names of programs to show on screen, also allows up to 32 offsets now!! Don`t know what memory you have but both of mine only had 4Kb which is not much use, the OT-C one I have upgraded to 128Kb so now I can keep all my programs in the machine and call up as needed which is great!!

If you need to speak to me I am on 01254 389120

Regards
Rob

[Emimec]

Many thanks Rob.
I am very new to the Cyclone lathe, as you probably gathered.
On Saturday I will study close up my machines controller, and using your guide, identify the model.

I was hoping this machine could replace my old plugboard Emi-Mec auto lathe, but sadly it came with no chuck or collets, let alone this controller problem.

I will follow all the advice recieved so far, and study the manuals I have and were sent on a previous post.

I'll turn it on first, and then change the batteries, then check if I have lost the parameters.

Assuming I have, I will try to find a pin configuration for the RS232 link and make up a cable, then will no doubt need to come back to you to request the address of where to download the set of parameters.

If they are not lost, I have a lot of reading to do over the weekend !

Kind Regards
Bob Plume

[Emimec]

Serial Number CYO 3118 B

Date 23/1/89

PLC 2.036I ( the zero has a / across it )

[Lone_Ranger]

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Hi Bob

Once you get the Cyclone up and running you will wonder how you ever managed without it!!

One other small thing, if you appear to have a turret problem it may just need 2 of the phases swapping, the turret is "phase dependent".

Link to page on this Forum for RS232 info, this is all works spot on.

viewtopic.php?t=1179&highlight=fanuc+rs232

Other useful Parameter info including some "900" parameters as Posted by "Bradders".

N0535P 60
N0536P 40
N0537P 0

N0700P 8000
N0701P 6000
N0702P 0
N0703P 0
N0704P 168000
N0705P 165000
N0706P 0
N0707P 0
N0708P 146000

N0900P 00111000
N0901P 11100000
N0902P 00000100
N0903P 00000100
N0904P 00000000
N0905P 00000001
N0906P 00000001
N0907P 01010000
N0908P 00000000
N0909P 01000000

The "900" parameters don`t upload/download with the rest of the Parameters, you have to do them by hand, but there are only 20 of them so doesn`t toke long!!

Regards
Rob

P.S. I will check the PLC Software versions I have later, one may be the same as yours, I`ll get back to you on that one.

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[Emimec]

Hi
Many thanks for the link and further information.
The RS232 configuration looks exactly the same as for the Bridgeport/Heidenhain.
A thought crossed my mind, what software is used to perfom the download/uploads?

For the Bridgeport I use the freely available TNCremont, or server program. I suppose i could try this, or even have a go on hyperterminal.

[Lone_Ranger]

Hi
Many thanks for the link and further information.
The RS232 configuration looks exactly the same as for the Bridgeport/Heidenhain.
A thought crossed my mind, what software is used to perfom the download/uploads?

For the Bridgeport I use the freely available TNCremont, or server program. I suppose i could try this, or even have a go on hyperterminal.

Any good, reliable DNC software will do the job, if the TNCremont will work a Bridgeport with Fanuc control then it should be OK.

I never "got on" with Hyper Terminal somehow and I have a DNC in my BobCAD-CAM software so no problem.

You can get a free one here https://www.cadem.com/ if you download their Demo software you get the DNC to keep for free for ever.

BTW I checked the software version in my OT-B Cyclone and it almost the same as yours, 2.037I.

Regards
Rob

[Emimec]

Hi Rob
Once again, many thanks.

I'll see if the Bridgeport one works, if not, I'll go for the one you sent a link for. I'm not a fan of hyperterminal either.

Saturday is the day to try out all the advice given here, I will know much more hopefully after the tests
Regards
bob

[Emimec]

Hi Rob
Many thanks for taking the time to assist me over the phone Saturday.
I am now more aware of the problem, and happy with the understanding of the parameter situation.

If you get a chance to see what you have for the diagnostics lines, 530 or 450 I think, I'd be most grateful. Also, where can I download the whole lot, so if needed, can us the RS232 to upload to the machine.

I have found the item you disussed on ebay, and may well go for it !!

I have one more question. I have a small adapter, 25 pin male one end, 25 pin female the other end that came with the machine, its a Denford labelled part and says "EDITOR AUIOCAM TURNING" on that label. I thought at first it is just a connector, but do wonder now if it is something more?

Kind Regards
Bob

[Lone_Ranger]

Hi Rob
Many thanks for taking the time to assist me over the phone Saturday.
I am now more aware of the problem, and happy with the understanding of the parameter situation.

If you get a chance to see what you have for the diagnostics lines, 530 or 450 I think, I'd be most grateful. Also, where can I download the whole lot, so if needed, can us the RS232 to upload to the machine.

I have found the item you disussed on ebay, and may well go for it !!

I have one more question. I have a small adapter, 25 pin male one end, 25 pin female the other end that came with the machine, its a Denford labelled part and says "EDITOR AUIOCAM TURNING" on that label. I thought at first it is just a connector, but do wonder now if it is something more?

Kind Regards
Bob

Hi Bob

See attached file for the Diagnostics Info, it is a .txt file so will open OK in Notepad/Wordpad.
Remember these are for reference only, my machine may be set a little different to yours. (Having said that it does work!!)

Normally only the Diagnostics 0300 to 0499 are able to be uploaded/downloaded via the RS232 cable, the rest have to be done by hand, there may be a way but so far I haven`t found it yet!!

Sorry, no idea what that adapter could be for unless it was for some kind of external DNC hardware but I have never heard of needing anything special to connect to Fanuc!!! A Google search throws up stuff like "Video Capture" hardware!! If it had been only pins at one end I would have thought is was possibly a "Dongle" of some kind!!!

No doubt someone at Denford will have the info on it for you.

Hope you get it sorted OK.
Regards
Rob



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[Emimec]

Many Thanks.

I emailled you earlier as to how I wind the slides manually off the limits stops. I cant see how any covers are removed, especially the X slide with the turret on.

Regards
Bob

[Martin]

Hi,

There will be a "Axis Limit Switch Overide" button on the right hand side of the control panel housing. If you press & hold in the button it will overide the Axis Limit Switches & allow you to drive the axis clear using the control. I sugest you move slides to the centre & then release the button.

[Emimec]

Many thanks for the reply.
It appears my machine is in e stop fault condition, and carrying out your advice will not work. I did try yesterday. I have since found out there is a manual way of moving the slides, and now know how to do it. My "Not ready" warning and fault codes on the Fanuc may well be due to a faulty power unit, not sure yet, and moving the slides was a half hearted attempt to see if it cleared them.
Bob

[Denford Admin]

I have one more question. I have a small adapter, 25 pin male one end, 25 pin female the other end that came with the machine, its a Denford labelled part and says "EDITOR AUIOCAM TURNING" on that label. I thought at first it is just a connector, but do wonder now if it is something more?

I think this is a dongle for the AutoDesk/AutoCAD CAM software that was around at that time, see here: viewtopic.php?t=371

[Emimec]

Small amount of progress after Saturdays poking around in the machine and power supply box.

There is no power on wire 31 in the big black floor standing box power unit. This is strange, as it is looped from another breaker which has power.

Second query is: the spindle drive motor fan seems to be running all the time. Is this correct? and what is in the black box behind the spindle drive motor? It has a cover on, and is accessible from the rear of the machine under the PCB boards, if you remove a clear plastic window.

No amount of trying will allow the input of any parameters, machine definately stuck in e stop mode.

New Fanuc power unit should arrive this week, will try this asap.

[Lone_Ranger]

Small amount of progress after Saturdays poking around in the machine and power supply box.

There is no power on wire 31 in the big black floor standing box power unit. This is strange, as it is looped from another breaker which has power.

Second query is: the spindle drive motor fan seems to be running all the time. Is this correct? and what is in the black box behind the spindle drive motor? It has a cover on, and is accessible from the rear of the machine under the PCB boards, if you remove a clear plastic window.

No amount of trying will allow the input of any parameters, machine definately stuck in e stop mode.

New Fanuc power unit should arrive this week, will try this asap.

Hi Bob

When you first switch on by pressing the Green button below the screen icon the contactor at the end of the row of breakers in the power box should engage, then the screen should start to show the Cyclone information, software build etc will "write" across the screen, next you should hear 2 distinct "thuds" with a short gap between them, these are contactors engaging in the main control box at the rear of the machine. They are done with this small delay to avoid a surge that would normally drop the main breaker out.

A check for you to do, switch off everything and press the E stop button in and then switch the power box back on, all you should have on will be the fans and lights, nothing on the screen. Check for 115V AC at the breakers (Top and bottom) there should be no reading, then press the green on button with the E stop still pressed, this is when the small contactor at the end of the row of breakers should engage and then you should have 115V AC when measured from the breaker connections to earth, if one of the breaker connections eg with cable 31 attached has no 115V and the others do then you are likely to be a phase down somewhere or the breaker itself is faulty.
You can check for output from the Fanuc power supply box in the main control panel as that (If I remember correctly!!) is where the 115V is produced and fed to the power box breakers and then back to the drives etc in the control box!!
On later Cyclones they did away with that system and everything was housed in the main box on the rear of the machine which made fault finding a lot easier!!
During the above you should have a "Not Ready" alarm flashing on your screen.

When you have checked that try releasing the E stop and that is when you should hear the other 2 contactors engage one after the other!

Hope that was clear and of some use to you.

Regards
Rob

BTW I`d make a very determined effort to find that software if you get the chance, colleges were noted way back then for spending good money on top level stuff!! A good example is the Cyclone itself, it`s really a small industrial Lathe, way above what`s needed for tuition!!


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[Lone_Ranger]

No amount of trying will allow the input of any parameters, machine definately stuck in e stop mode.

Hi Bob

You should be able to access the Parameters even in E Stop mode, have you "Enabled" the PWE on the second screen when you go to Parameters?

You can`t alter anything on the parameters without the PWE (Parameter Write Enable) set to "1" which is on, it is normally set to "0" for off, so that inqusitive fingers can`t do any damage it can only be set with the "Protect" key in the OFF position, that key is usually removed by Supervisors etc!!

If you want to try it switch the power box on and leave the E Stop button depressed, then press the DGNOS/PARM button and then use the page down button to go to page 2 and you will see the PWE, use the cursor buttons to align the cursor with PWE and you will see at the bottom of the screen PWE = turn the protect key to the right and press 1 on the number keypad and then input and the "0" next to PWE should change to a "1", you can now alter, upload, download any/all parameters/diagnostics!!

When you have finished change the PWE back to "0" to disable the "Write" ability.

WARNING Always write down any parameter you intend to alter before you do it!!

Regards
Rob



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[Emimec]

Hi Rob
Both of your post offer excellent advice. I will try all procedures.
I do not get the second, time delay thuds of breakers going in. The new box I bought is on its way from America.
Thanks
Bob